
After a wonderfully successful year the BBC is breaking for christmas and regrouping Feb. 11 at Karen's place to discuss The Kite Runner.
1. Porter created a marketing sensation for poetry in this country with the creation of her verse novel genre. How effective do you think verse is for a novel?
2. Porter quotes Basho, Aristophanes and Dorothy Parker at the start of the novel. How did reading these inform (if at all) your reading? In retrospect why did she choose these three citations at the start of the ride that is The Monkey's Mask?
3. How did you find the concept of the poems and chapters having individual titles? Did it help/hinder the flow of the story?
4. Porter creates vivid characters with so few words. Poetry is often able to distill something down to its essence. How would you say she achieves this here? Why then do we feel so much more comfortable with the prose novel form? Is it more satisfying?
5. Did you know who the murderer was early on? Did this matter?
6. In crime fiction the city the murder is set in is said to take on its own character. How does Sydney get portrayed in the Monkey's mask? Would you need to know Sydney or the Blue Mountains to have this be more effective?
7. What is your opinion of the title? Why do you think she chose this?
8. The book has a glossary of Australian slang terms in the back. Do you think this is necessary? Is the book dated because of this language? Richer?
9. Porter employs comedy throughout the novel. Her dry wit is sexy and cutting. Why do you think she chooses to do this? How does this boost her protagonist above the description she applies to other female detectives in contemporary crime fiction as "female wealthy neurotics" who take themselves too seriously?
10. What is the effect of having Mickey's poems within the novel - the poems within the poems?
11. "Infatuation is blind" Do you feel sympathy for Mickey? For any of the characters?
12. What do you think Porter is saying about male poets? The poetry world? Do you agree with her?
13. Does the novel work as a piece of erotica across the board? Why? Is it appealing outside the sub genre of lesbian erotica? What was your favourite erotic moment?
14. Jill is so caught up in Diana she loses sight of her investigation? Is this her fatal flaw? Is the novel about murder, love or lust?
15. How does Porter explore sexual obsession in The Monkey's Mask? Mickey's mother is repulsed by her daughter's poetry "The she must have been a monster". Is this fair? Why is poetry such a common form of expression for teenagers in early love? Why do we lose sight of this when we get older? Why are parents often so fearful of their children's sexuality?
16. How does Porter subvert the hard-boiled detective genre (as made famous by Raymond Chandler and Dashiell Hammett) in The Monkey's Mask? Talk about the use of the "beat" in the book? The mood of the world she creates? The intimacy of the readers relationship with the detective?
17. Porter, tragically died two years ago. She was arguably the most successful Australian female poet and was in the thick of the poetry scene. She observes that poets are "hot haters", why do you think this is and do you think this book depicts that world well?
18. Is the end disappointing? What were you expecting? Porter says that she copped criticism for the end because it didn't resolve things. She wished to end with "a sense of real life ambivalence", is this satisfying? Ian Rankin writes different endings for European and American audiences as the US need things wrapped up? Where do you fall? Resolution is often part of the implied contract with the reader and writer of crime fiction, so what does this modern ambivalent ending do to the genre?
19. Why do you think Porter chooses to break the line where she does in the poems? To indent where she does? If poetry is about the white on the page as much as the black, does this work for you visually?
20. In the book the poet's women all do what they can to protect their philandering men? Why is this? Is this a feminist book? Is Jill just a hard boiled detective in drag?
21. Do the poems work on their own? Which is your favourite and why?
22. I read the intolerable John Law's poetry and was almost turned off poetry for life, re-reading this again was refreshing as it took all the navel gazing and indulgence out of poetry. How does the character of Jill undercut any of this potential in the book? Why did Porter choose her as the protagonist? Does she do any real detective work?
23. Is Porter a good dramatist? What does the inclusion of dialogue do for the book?
24. But is it a poem? Always open for debate, especially amongst the poets?
25. In many ways this is Porter's most successful book, what do you think of her other work? If you saw the film how does it compare?
The Monkey's Mask is a totally unique experience. It’s poetry. It's a crime thriller. It's where high art meets low life, passion meets betrayal, and poetry faces profanity on the streets of a harsh modern city. Dorothy Porter's internationally bestselling verse novel holds you in its grip from the first verse paragraph to the final haunting pages.
The Monkey's Mask won the Age Book of the Year for Poetry in 1994, the National Book Council Award for Poetry and the Braille Book of the Year.
1. Let the Great World Spin is told through the eyes of eleven different characters. What is the effect of this chorus of voices? Why do you think the author chose to tell the story this way? If you had to choose a single character to narrate the whole book, who would it be, and why? What do you think might be lost, or gained, by narrowing the story to a single perspective?
2. As McCann explains in the author’s note, the book’s title comes from “Locksley Hall,” an 1835 poem by Alfred, Lord Tennyson, which was itself inspired by a series of ancient Arabic poems. Why do you think McCann chose to use this title for such a modern American story? What does the title mean to you, and do you think it affects your relationship to the book as a reader? Would this be a different novel, do you think, if it had been called something else, like “Highwire”?
3. The narrative takes place almost exclusively in New York City, but could it have taken place in any other city in the world? How can this be seen as a specifically “New York” novel, and how might it not be? Are there ways in which the characters are emblematic of their time and place, or is there an “everyman” quality to them?
4. The novel opens with an extraordinary tightrope walk between the World Trade Center towers. This is a fictionalization of a famous stunt by Philippe Petit in August 1974–yet the tightrope walker in the novel remains anonymous, unrelated to any of the other characters. What do you think the effect is of weaving this historical fact into the fiction of the other characters’ stories? What do you think McCann intends toachieve with this, and in what ways do you think he succeeds?
5. How important do you think this historic walk is in the novel itself? In what ways would the stories–and story–McCann is telling be different if the novel had been set on a different day, or in a different era?
6. Do you see ways in which the tightrope might function as a metaphor, or symbol, throughout the book?
7. In the chapter titled “This Is the House That Horse Built” we get an intimate glimpse into the life of a New York prostitute in the 1970s. She considers herself a failure. Do you agree with her? Or do you think she achieves grace despite the circumstances of her life?
8. All but one of the chapters in Let the Great World Spin are set over the course of a couple of days in early August 1974. Why do you think McCann chose to jump thirty-two years, to 2006, for the final chapter? In what ways do these pages add to, complicate, or even change the story that came before? Why do you think he chose the character of Jaslyn to tell that final piece of the story?
9. What do you think Jaslyn discovers at the end of the novel?
10. What parallels do you see between the society of the 1970s, as McCann depicts it in the novel, and today? How do you believe these similarities and differences speak to the changes in America and the world over the past several decades? Would it be fair to say that America itself is one of the evolving characters in the novel, a separate figure whose story is also being told?
11. Adelita says: “The thing about love is that we come alive in bodies not our own.” What does she mean by this?
12. It can be argued that Corrigan and Jazzlyn are the book’s two main characters, yet they die in the opening chapters. Why do you think McCann chose to allow their lives to be destroyed so early in the book? Why did he choose not to tell any of the story through their points of view? In what ways do you think that decision makes these two people more–or less–central and powerful in the story as a whole? Could it be said that it is sometimes the stories not told that affect us the most?
(Questions issued by publisher.)
1. Although Roseanne is very reluctant to converse with Dr. Grene about her past, she pours her recollections into her secret journal. Why do you think she is so reticent with regard to the psychiatrist and so blatant in her private revelations?
2. Do you think that The Secret Scripture is specifically intended as a story about Ireland and the Irish psyche, or is it a more universal story about issues that affect oppressed people everywhere?
3. The theme of woman as a sexual transgressor and outcast has long engaged writers of fiction from Hawthorne to Hardy and beyond. In what ways, if any, did The Secret Scripture contribute to your understanding of women who are punished for their sexual behavior?
4. Early in the novel, Joe Clear calls Father Gaunt “a good man.” Subsequent events call this judgment gravely into question. Playing devil’s advocate, can you think of reasons for calling Father Gaunt a good man? If so, then why does his “goodness” have such disastrous effects?
5. Father Gaunt’s account of Roseanne’s life is clouded by his prejudices. Roseanne’s autobiographical testament is rendered unreliable by her age and her suspect mental condition. Which version of events do you find more trustworthy? Is either account completely untrustworthy?
6. How does Dr. Grene’s relationship with his wife, Bet, relate to the principal plot of the novel?
7. Early in the novel, Joe Clear drops feathers and hammers from a tower in a botched attempt to explain the force of gravity to his daughter. Why do you think Barry inserts this curious vignette into the book?
8. What character names in The Secret Scripture do you think serve a symbolic function? What, specifically, do these names suggest?
9. Although Roseanne Clear is plainly victimized by those around her, she also makes some very poor choices, like going to meet John Lavelle on Knocknarea and seeking help from Mrs. McNulty when she is on the verge of giving birth. Is she in some strange sense complicit in her own suffering?
10. The novel explores the risks inherent in seeking truth. Have your own searches for truth sometimes had unforeseen consequences?
11. In the end, do you find Roseanne’s story tragic or triumphant? Explain.
I was so keen to come to tomorrows book club, but unfortunately it coincides
with Pete's brother from New Zealand coming over.. A bit of a bummer as I am
a great fan of Ian McEwan and I would have loved to know what everyone
thought of this particular piece of writing and compare it to his other
writings.
I enjoyed 'on chesil beach'.. Like most of his books, I love the pace and
the way he unravels each memory and each detail that give Florence and
Edward a beautiful depth. I think McEwan is a great humanist and always
keeps me thinking about our wonderful strange human ways and how we interact
with one another.. There are so many ways to read and misread each others
actions and behaviour.. The human error to misjudge could be seen as a
crime, but I think McEwan creates a way to find forgiveness.. Which is what
I really like about the book..
Anyway.. I'm sad to miss out tomorrow night, and I'm sure there will be some
beautiful ideas and thoughts about the book and his writing style.. I would
love to hear how it all goes..
Have a beautiful night, and please send my regards to all BBC members!
karenxx
1. What do the novel’s opening lines tell us about Edward and Florence? How did your perceptions of them change throughout the subsequent pages? What details did you eventually know about them that they never fully revealed to one another?
2. Is Edward’s libido truly the primary reason he proposes marriage, or were other factors involved (perhaps ones he did not even admit to himself)? Are relationships harmed or helped by cultural restrictions against sex before marriage? Would this marriage have taken place if the couple had met when birth–control pills were no longer just a rumor?
3. Edward replays the words “with my body I thee worship” in his mind. What might have been the intention in including that line when this version of the marriage ceremony was written? How does it make Edward feel?
4. Ian McEwan describes the novel’s time period as an era when youth was not glorified but adulthood was. We are also told that Edward was born in 1940, while his parents contemplated possible outcomes of the war with Germany. At what point did Edward and Florence’s solemnity become viewed as old–fashioned? What contributed to that shift? What are your recollections, or those shared by relatives who lived it, of the emerging youth culture of the late 1960s and ’70s?
5. Were Florence and Edward incompatible in ways beyond sexual ones? What do their difficulties in bed say about their relationship altogether? Or is sex an isolated aspect of a marriage?
6. Chapter two describes how Florence and Edward met; the first paragraph tells us that they were too sophisticated to believe in destiny. How would you characterize the kind of love they developed? What made them believe they were perfect for one another? Are any two people perfect for one another?
7. What did Edward’s decision to go to London for college indicate about his goals? What was Florence’s dream for her future? Was marriage a greater social necessity for her, as a woman? Would her career as a classical musician necessarily have been sacrificed if she had remained with Edward?
8. Compare Edward’s upbringing to Florence’s. How did their parents affect their attitudes toward life? How did the limitations of Edward’s mother shape his feelings about responsibility and women? Was Florence drawn to her mother’s competitiveness?
9. To what extent was the financial gulf between Edward and Florence a source of trouble? How might the relationship have unfolded, particularly during this time period, if Edward, not Florence, had been the spouse with financial security?
10. Chapter four recounts the moment when Edward tells Florence he loves her because she’s “square,” not in spite of it. Are their opposing tastes the product of their temperaments or the episodes in their young lives? What is your understanding of her revulsion to sex?
11. Discuss the novel’s setting, which forms its title. What is the effect of the creaky hotel McEwan creates, and the crashing permanent waves on a beach where the temperatures are still chilly in June? What does it say about the newlyweds that this is the scene of their wedding night?
12. In the end, Edward explores various “what ifs.” Would their marriage have lasted if he had consented to her request for platonic living arrangements? What are the best ways to predict whether a couple can sustain a marriage?
13. How would Edward and Florence have fared in the twenty–first century? Has the nature of love changed as western society has evolved?
14. The author tells us that the marriage ended because Edward was callous, and that as Florence ran from him, she was at the same time desperately in love with him. Why did Edward respond the way he did? Why was it so difficult for them to be honest about their feelings? How would you have reacted that night?
15. Discuss the structure of On Chesil Beach . What is the effect of reading such a compressed storyline, weaving one night with the years before and after it? How did it shape your reading to see only Edward’s point of view in the end? What might Florence’s perspective have looked like?
16. In what ways does On Chesil Beach represent a departure for Ian McEwan? In what ways does it enhance the themes in his previous fiction.
17. Discuss the form of the novella. Is it as satisfying as a novel. Why is it such an under published genre. Does it work for this book? Compare it to other novellas you may have found satisfying such as Ballad of the Sad Cage, Death in Venice, The Scarlett Letter or another?
(Questions issued by publisher.)
The year is 1962. Florence, the daughter of a successful businessman and an aloof Oxford academic, is a talented violinist. She dreams of a career on the concert stage and of the perfect life she will create with Edward, the earnest young history student she met by chance and who unexpectedly wooed her and won her heart.
Their marriage, they believe, will bring them happiness, the confidence and the freedom to fulfill their true destinies.
From the precise and intimate depiction of two young lovers eager to rise above the hurts and confusion of the past, to the touching story of how their unexpressed misunderstandings and fears shape the rest of their lives, On Chesil Beach is an extraordinary novel that brilliantly, movingly shows us how the entire course of a life can be changed – by a gesture not made or a word not spoken.
Suite Française,Irène Némirovsky's masterpiece—a unique work of fiction about the chaotic exodus from Paris in June, 1940, as the invading German army approaches, and the complex life of an occupied village a year later.
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The Diary of Anne Frank,
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Birdsong by Sebastian Faulks
The Regeneration Trilogy by Pat Barker
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PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE JUST AS A GUIDE FOR DISCUSSION, IT IS FREE FORM AROUND THE FIRE FOR THURSDAY - DRESS WARM!!
ABOUT THIS BOOK
Set in the smoking ashes of a postapocalyptic America, Cormac McCarthy'sThe Road tells the story of a man and his son's journey toward the sea and an uncertain salvation. The world they pass through is a ghastly vision of scorched countryside and blasted cities "held by cores of blackened looters who tunneled among the ruins and crawled from the rubble white of tooth and eye carrying charred and anonymous tins of food in nylon nets like shoppers in the commissaries of hell" [p. 181]. It is a starved world, all plant and animal life dead or dying, some of the few human survivors even eating each other alive.
The father and son move through the ruins searching for food and shelter, trying to keep safe from murderous, roving bands. They have only a pistol to defend themselves, the clothes they are wearing, a cart of scavenged food--and each other.
Awesome in the totality of its vision, The Road is an unflinching meditation on the worst and the best that we are capable of: ultimate destructiveness, desperate tenacity, and the tenderness that keeps two people alive in the face of total devastation.
Reader's Guide
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